Law Lenz: Employment Law Done Right
You're going to have to make a call. But you're not sure it's the right one.
That's the moment this podcast was built for.
Employment Law Done Right is for HR professionals, people leaders, and employers in New Zealand who are in the thick of it. Not the theory of it. The 90-day trial period expiring this week. The performance process that got complicated the moment an employee disclosed a mental health condition. The disciplinary process where someone resigned midway and is now threatening a personal grievance.
Hosted by Sanam Permal, a practising lawyer in New Zealand and Australia. She founded Law Lenz, an employment law training business, in 2023 and it started with this podcast. Every episode covers the real scenarios you face in plain English. Case breakdowns, legal updates, deep dives into the topics that keep you up at night.
She's a lawyer. Just not your lawyer. Instead, she's here to give you the knowledge and skills to back yourself when it matters most.
New episodes drop fortnightly. Visit lawlenz.co.nz
You're going to have to make a call. But you're not sure it's the right one.
That's the moment this podcast was built for.
Employment Law Done Right is for HR professionals, people leaders, and employers in New Zealand who are in the thick of it. Not the theory of it. The 90-day trial period expiring this week. The performance process that got complicated the moment an employee disclosed a mental health condition. The disciplinary process where someone resigned midway and is now threatening a personal grievance.
Hosted by Sanam Permal, a practising lawyer in New Zealand and Australia. She founded Law Lenz, an employment law training business, in 2023 and it started with this podcast. Every episode covers the real scenarios you face in plain English. Case breakdowns, legal updates, deep dives into the topics that keep you up at night.
She's a lawyer. Just not your lawyer. Instead, she's here to give you the knowledge and skills to back yourself when it matters most.
New episodes drop fortnightly. Visit lawlenz.co.nz

What's the podcast about?
You're going to have to make a call. But you're not sure it's the right one.
That's the moment this podcast was built for.
Employment Law Done Right is for HR professionals, people leaders, and employers in New Zealand who are in the thick of it. Not the theory of it. The 90-day trial period expiring this week. The performance process that got complicated the moment an employee disclosed a mental health condition. The disciplinary process where someone resigned midway and is now threatening a personal grievance.
Hosted by Sanam Permal, a practising lawyer in New Zealand and Australia. She founded Law Lenz, an employment law training business, in 2023 and it started with this podcast. Every episode covers the real scenarios you face in plain English. Case breakdowns, legal updates, deep dives into the topics that keep you up at night.
She's a lawyer. Just not your lawyer. Instead, she's here to give you the knowledge and skills to back yourself when it matters most.
New episodes drop fortnightly. Visit lawlenz.co.nz
Episodes

Aug 29, 2024
Aug 29, 2024
14 min
The "right to disconnect" is creating a lot of buzz in the world of work, especially with Australia’s new laws officially taking effect earlier this week. But what does this mean for us here in New Zealand? Recently, there have been conversations about whether we are falling behind compared to Australia. The Law Lenz hot take is that we already have protections in place and we're not too far off from the "right to disconnect" laws.
In this episode, join host Sanam as she dives into the key differences - and surprising similarities - between Australia’s newest regulation and New Zealand’s existing legal framework. We’ll explore the delicate balance between work and personal time, breaking down the legalities, discussing real-world implications, and offering practical tips for both employers and leaders to navigate this evolving landscape. From compliance challenges to everyday scenarios, we’ve got you covered.
Whether you’re a HR professional, a leader or a business owner, this episode is packed with insights you won’t want to miss. Tune in now and discover how to strike the perfect balance between staying connected and disconnecting!
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Got questions? Send them our way, and Sanam will feature them in the next episode. Email your queries to asklawlenz@gmail.com.
Check out the Law Lenz website HERE.
Resources:
Right to Disconnect AU - Fair Work Australia
Zero hour contracts - Community Law NZ
Work related stress / health and safety - WokSafe NZ
Privacy Act / after hours contact - Employment NZ
Disclaimer: The content presented in this episode is for informational purposes only and should not be considered as legal advice. The host does not assume any liability for actions taken based on the content of this podcast. While the host is a lawyer, they are not your lawyer and the information provided is based on general legal information. This podcast does not create a solicitor-client relationship.While we strive to keep the information accurate and up-to-date as at the date of each episode, laws and regulations may change, and the content of this podcast may not reflect the most current legal standards or interpretations. Listeners are encouraged to consult with a qualified New Zealand legal professional for advice tailored to their specific situation.
Aug 29, 2024
14 min

Aug 20, 2024
Aug 20, 2024
11 min
Did you know there are big changes ahead for New Zealand’s Recognised Seasonal Employer (RSE) scheme? On 2 September 2024, changes will officially take effect for the 2024/25 season. These updates, are part of the Government's efforts to support the growth of the horticulture and viticulture industries while reducing costs and compliance burdens for employers. At the same time, these changes aim to improve working conditions for RSE workers.
Join our host Sanam, as she breaks down the key updates, including the increase in the RSE cap, adjustments to the minimum weekly hours, new wage rules, and flexibility in accommodation costs. Sanam will also cover enhanced movement between employers and regions, and the introduction of multi-entry visas for RSE workers.
This episode is essential listening for RSE employers looking to stay compliant with the new regulations and maximise the benefits of these changes. If you're an employer in the horticulture or viticulture sectors, or if you work with RSE workers, this episode will help you stay informed, prepared, and ahead of the curve.
Tune in now to get all the details on the changes that matter to your business and your workers.
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Got questions? Send them our way, and Sanam will feature them in the next episode. Email your queries to asklawlenz@gmail.com.
Check out the Law Lenz website HERE.
Resources:
RSE detailed changes & next steps for RSE employers - Immigration NZ
RSE forms and guides - Immigration NZ
RSE changes overview - Beehive NZ
Disclaimer: The content presented in this episode is for informational purposes only and should not be considered as legal advice. The host does not assume any liability for actions taken based on the content of this podcast. While the host is a lawyer, they are not your lawyer and the information provided is based on general legal information. This podcast does not create a solicitor-client relationship.While we strive to keep the information accurate and up-to-date as at the date of each episode, laws and regulations may change, and the content of this podcast may not reflect the most current legal standards or interpretations. Listeners are encouraged to consult with a qualified New Zealand legal professional for advice tailored to their specific situation.
Aug 20, 2024
11 min

Aug 13, 2024
Aug 13, 2024
26 min
A topic that's becoming increasingly relevant in today's challenging economic landscape is permanent business closures. As liquidation numbers rise across New Zealand, employers face difficult decisions that directly impact their teams. But what are the legal obligations when a business needs to shut its doors for good?
In this Ask Law Lenz segment we are tackling 3 major questions for businesses across NZ (especially SMEs):
What process needs to be followed with employees when undergoing a permanent business closure?
What does consultation look like for a small business?
At what point does an employer need to start having conversations with their employees?
Join host Sanam as she dives into the complexities of business closures, exploring the redundancy process, good faith requirements, and key legal precedents that every employer must know. With real-life cases and expert insights, this episode will arm you with the knowledge to navigate these tough situations correctly, ensuring you're fully compliant when the stakes are highest.
Whether you're an SME owner, HR professional, or simply interested in employment law, this episode is packed with critical information that could save you from costly mistakes. Tune in now to ensure you're compliant!
We want to know what topics you want to hear more about. Participate in our poll today - CLICK HERE!
Secure your spot and unlock Law Lenz perks and express your interest! CLICK HERE!
Subscribe and follow Law Lenz for your regular legal fix! Follow Sanam on LinkedIn for key employment law insights.
Got questions? Send them our way, and Sanam will feature them in the next episode. Email your queries to asklawlenz@gmail.com.
Check out the Law Lenz website HERE.
Resources:
Section 4 good faith employment relations - Employment Relations Act
Clark v Glitz & Glam Hair and Beauty Limited (in liquidation) 2023 - Employment Relations Authority case
Chun Kit Sze and KNCC Limited 2023 - Employment Relations case
Restructuring your business - Business NZ
Considerations before terminating your business in NZ - Legal Vision
Disclaimer: The content presented in this episode is for informational purposes only and should not be considered as legal advice. The host does not assume any liability for actions taken based on the content of this podcast. While the host is a lawyer, they are not your lawyer and the information provided is based on general legal information. This podcast does not create a solicitor-client relationship.While we strive to keep the information accurate and up-to-date as at the date of each episode, laws and regulations may change, and the content of this podcast may not reflect the most current legal standards or interpretations. Listeners are encouraged to consult with a qualified New Zealand legal professional for advice tailored to their specific situation.
Aug 13, 2024
26 min

Aug 7, 2024
Aug 7, 2024
30 min
Probationary clauses are a common feature in New Zealand employment agreements. They serve as a valuable tool for both employers and employees to assess mutual suitability in the role and workplace. Yet, the requirements and nuances of probation periods often go unspoken.
Join host Sanam in this episode as she delves into the multifaceted role of probationary periods, emphasising the requirements for ensuring their validity and the steps for a smooth termination.
In this episode, we will cover:
The purpose of probationary periods
Differences and similarities with trial periods
The legal framework and when to use probationary periods
Top tips for employers to meet compliance requirements
A guide to terminating under probation
Don't miss this crucial episode that offers comprehensive insights into managing probation periods effectively. Whether you're an employer seeking more knowledge or an HR professional looking to refine your practices, this episode will equip you with the strategies to succeed.
When's the last time you did a trial period refresher? Look no further! Listen to our episode on trial periods - Click Here to tune in now!
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Got questions? Send them our way, and Sanam will feature them in the next episode. Email your queries to asklawlenz@gmail.com.
Check out the Law Lenz website HERE.
Resources:
Probationary arrangement - Employment Relations Act
Trials and probationary periods - Employment NZ
Probationary periods - Edwards Law (blog article)
Trial period refresher - Sanam's Linked Post
Disclaimer: The content presented in this episode is for informational purposes only and should not be considered as legal advice. The host does not assume any liability for actions taken based on the content of this podcast. While the host is a lawyer, they are not your lawyer and the information provided is based on general legal information. This podcast does not create a solicitor-client relationship.While we strive to keep the information accurate and up-to-date as at the date of each episode, laws and regulations may change, and the content of this podcast may not reflect the most current legal standards or interpretations. Listeners are encouraged to consult with a qualified New Zealand legal professional for advice tailored to their specific situation.
Aug 7, 2024
30 min

Jul 31, 2024
How Laws Are Made & Key Bills to Watch
Jul 31, 2024
Jul 31, 2024
22 min
From a new idea to a binding rule, New Zealand laws undergo a rigorous journey through Parliament. Bills are proposed, debated, and scrutinised before facing the public spotlight. If they survive this gauntlet, they’re signed into law.
So, have you ever wondered how laws are actually made? Join us as we demystify the legislative process, shedding light on the often lengthy and intricate journey from a bill's introduction to its enactment. We’ll also delve into some key bills currently in the pipeline and discuss the potential changes they might bring.
What we’ll cover in this episode:
The stages a bill goes through before becoming law.
A look at specific bills that could significantly impact workplaces and employees in New Zealand.
Coverage of bills related to restraints of trade, wage theft, remuneration, and KiwiSaver protections.
Whether you're an employer, a HR professional, or simply curious about how laws come into being, this episode is packed with valuable information and engaging anecdotes.
Tune in for a guide to the legislative process and stay informed about what's on the horizon in the legal landscape!
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Resources:
How a bill becomes law
Employment Relations (Restraint of Trade) Amendment Bill
Employment Relations (Employee Remuneration Disclosure) Amendment Bill
Employment Relations (Protection for Kiwisaver Members) Amendment Bill
Crimes (Theft by Employer) Amendment Bill
Sanam’s LinkedIn post about wage theft of migrant workers
Disclaimer: The content presented in this episode is for informational purposes only and should not be considered as legal advice. The host does not assume any liability for actions taken based on the content of this podcast. While the host is a lawyer, they are not your lawyer and the information provided is based on general legal information. This podcast does not create a solicitor-client relationship.While we strive to keep the information accurate and up-to-date as at the date of each episode, laws and regulations may change, and the content of this podcast may not reflect the most current legal standards or interpretations. Listeners are encouraged to consult with a qualified New Zealand legal professional for advice tailored to their specific situation.
Jul 31, 2024
22 min

Jul 2, 2024
Pause & Poll - Shape the Future of Law Lenz!
Jul 2, 2024
Jul 2, 2024
2 min
Did you know that Law Lenz hit pause? Sorry to all the Spotify listeners that didn't get this episode. But don't worry, we're back on it and releasing weekly episodes every Tuesday starting from 30th July! During our brief hiatus, we wanted to flip the script and put the ball in your court. Our host Sanam wants to know what burning insights you’re craving.
So what are you waiting for? Join our poll HERE and tell us what legal mysteries you want unraveled. No personal info needed — just your curiosity! Here are the hot topics up for exploration:
Performance management
Disciplinary
Medical incapacity
Redundancy and restructures
Holidays Act
Dismissals and terminations
Personal grievance
Participate in the poll today! CLICK HERE!
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Got questions? Send them our way, and Sanam will feature them in the next episode. Email your queries to asklawlenz@gmail.com.
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Jul 2, 2024
2 min

Jun 24, 2024
Comin' In Hot - Proposed Holidays Act Changes
Jun 24, 2024
Jun 24, 2024
18 min
Have you heard all the commotion? Holidays Act changes are comin' in hot! For years, the Act's ambiguity, especially regarding atypical work arrangements, has led to widespread non-compliance and significant remediation costs. However, changes are on the horizon, and the Act is set to undergo a massive overhaul in 2024.
Join host Sanam as she explores the proposed legislative amendments introduced by the Coalition government, aimed at simplifying and improving the Act. This episode will break down the key issues and proposed changes to annual leave, family violence leave, bereavement leave, alternative holidays, public holidays, and sick leave entitlements. You'll get a clear understanding of how the proposed changes aim to address critical concerns.
Stay tuned for more Law Lenz insights, as the public will have a chance to weigh in on the specifics when a draft proposal is released for consultation in September 2024. Don't miss out on this crucial discussion that promises to reshape the future of holiday entitlements in the workplace.
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Got questions? Send them our way, and Sanam will feature them in the next episode. Email your queries to asklawlenz@gmail.com.
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Resources:
Holidays Act Reform MBIE
MBIE Holidays Act Review - Policy decisions for an exposure draft of the Bill
MBIE Holidays Act Reform - Further policy decisions
Disclaimer: The content presented in this episode is for informational purposes only and should not be considered as legal advice. The host does not assume any liability for actions taken based on the content of this podcast. While the host is a lawyer, they are not your lawyer and the information provided is based on general legal information. This podcast does not create a solicitor-client relationship.While we strive to keep the information accurate and up-to-date as at the date of each episode, laws and regulations may change, and the content of this podcast may not reflect the most current legal standards or interpretations. Listeners are encouraged to consult with a qualified New Zealand legal professional for advice tailored to their specific situation.
Jun 24, 2024
18 min

Jun 18, 2024
Where Rest and Meal Breaks Commonly Go Wrong
Jun 18, 2024
Jun 18, 2024
23 min
The law guarantees employees minimum rest and meal breaks to ensure wellbeing and productivity. These breaks come in two flavours: paid 10-minute rest breaks and unpaid 30-minute meal breaks. The number of breaks an employee gets depends on how long they work. However, even with clear guidelines, employers are still getting it wrong. So how do these misunderstandings and oversights occur?
In this episode of Law Lenz, we dive into the critical but often misunderstood area of rest and meal breaks. Join your host, Sanam, as she explores the common pitfalls and provides essential tips to ensure your business remains compliant and your employees stay safe and healthy.
In this episode, we tackle:
The legal requirements for rest and meal breaks under the Employment Relations Act.
Real-life cases highlighting where employers went wrong and how to avoid these mistakes.
Practical steps to implement clear break policies and clauses in your agreements.
Understand the importance of recording breaks.
Overview of the potential consequences of getting breaks wrong.
Don't miss this crucial episode that can help you navigate the complexities of breaks and ensure you maintain compliance in your workplace.
Have you listened to last weeks' controversial episode on excessive sick leave? Click Here to tune in now!
Want to know about "hurt and humiliation" compensation bands? Look no further - Click Here to tune in today!
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Resources:
Employment NZ - Rest and meal breaks
Employment Relations Act - Part 6D Rest breaks and meal breaks
ERA Case - Hong and S&C Centreplace Limited
ERA Case - CSJ and JRL
ERA Case - Lee and Yamaya NZ Limited
Disclaimer: The content presented in this episode is for informational purposes only and should not be considered as legal advice. The host does not assume any liability for actions taken based on the content of this podcast. While the host is a lawyer, they are not your lawyer and the information provided is based on general legal information. This podcast does not create a solicitor-client relationship.While we strive to keep the information accurate and up-to-date as at the date of each episode, laws and regulations may change, and the content of this podcast may not reflect the most current legal standards or interpretations. Listeners are encouraged to consult with a qualified New Zealand legal professional for advice tailored to their specific situation.
Jun 18, 2024
23 min

Jun 10, 2024
Jun 10, 2024
22 min
We've all been there. Sometimes, we just don't want to go into work, and if you own or operate a business, then you may have come across creative ways an employee may avoid work. Sometimes they may opt to 'chuck a sickie'. Other times, you may see an intermittent but frequent pattern forming where it seems like sick leave is being taken advantage of.
Whether it's faking symptoms, calling in after annual leave has been declined, or having a pattern of taking sick leave on desirable days like Mondays or Fridays - it can disrupt work schedules, burden colleagues who have to cover for the absent employee, and erode trust between the employee and employer.
Join host Sanam, as she dives into the controversial and often taboo topic of taking advantage of sick leave and non-genuine sick leave on Law Lenz.
In this episode, Sanam explores both the ethical dilemmas and the financial repercussions for SMEs in New Zealand. From personal anecdotes to employment law cases, Sanam provides tips and insights on how employers can navigate these tricky sick leave scenarios with ease.
Key topics covered in the episode:
Understanding what is meant by taking advantage of sick leave.
Misusing & non-genuine sick leave: Understand the fine line between genuine sick leave and misuse, and learn from real-world cases on how an employer can address these issues.
How to prevent misuse & excessive sick leave: Get tips and insights on how employers can implement effective steps to deter abuse without penalising genuinely ill employees.
Understand how to temporarily manage the workplace while tackling initial sick leave concerns.
Don't miss this episode if you want to stay informed about one of the most pressing issues in workplace management today. Tune in to learn how to protect your business and ensure fair treatment for all employees.
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Got questions? Send them our way, and Sanam will feature them in the next episode. Email your queries to asklawlenz@gmail.com.
Check out the Law Lenz website HERE.
Resources:
Employment NZ - Sick Leave Entitlements
Employment NZ - Proof of sickness
My HR - Managing sick leave: An employers guide to absenteeism
Cavell Leitch - Constantly sick employees and non-genuine sick leave. When is enough, enough?
NZ Herald - Air NZ Case
Disclaimer: The content presented in this episode is for informational purposes only and should not be considered as legal advice. The host does not assume any liability for actions taken based on the content of this podcast. While the host is a lawyer, they are not your lawyer and the information provided is based on general legal information. This podcast does not create a solicitor-client relationship.While we strive to keep the information accurate and up-to-date as at the date of each episode, laws and regulations may change, and the content of this podcast may not reflect the most current legal standards or interpretations. Listeners are encouraged to consult with a qualified New Zealand legal professional for advice tailored to their specific situation.
Jun 10, 2024
22 min

Jun 4, 2024
Hours of Work - What No One Tells You
Jun 4, 2024
Jun 4, 2024
21 min
What if I told you that getting your employment agreements wrong could cost you $20,000? And what if I told you that you might be making this mistake right now? Welcome to another eye-opening episode, where we delve into the critical topic of hours of work and why it's essential to get it right.
Join Sanam as she uncovers the often misunderstood and unspoken rules surrounding minimum and maximum work hours. From the surprising findings on websites to real-life cases that highlight the costly consequences of non-compliance, this episode is packed with valuable insights for employers and HR professionals.
We'll explore:
The importance of specifying hours of work in employment agreements.
Key sections of the Employment Relations Act and the Minimum Wage Act.
Real-life cases and their implications.
Best practices for setting and managing work hours.
Tips for avoiding legal pitfalls when considering hours of work.
Whether you're an employer, HR professional, or just curious about employment law, this episode provides the essential knowledge you need to ensure compliance. Tune in to learn how to avoid costly mistakes and ensure your employment agreements are robust and clear.
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Subscribe and follow Law Lenz for your regular legal fix! Follow Sanam on LinkedIn for key employment law insights.
Got questions? Send them our way, and Sanam will feature them in the next episode. Email your queries to asklawlenz@gmail.com.
Check out the Law Lenz website HERE.
Resources:
Minimum Wage Act - Section 11B
Employment Relations Act - Agreed Hours of Work s 67
Employment NZ - Hours of Work
Pick Hawke's Bay ERA Case
H4M ERA Case
Abhisek Quality Foods ERA Case
Letter of Variation Law Lenz Episode
Disclaimer: The content presented in this episode is for informational purposes only and should not be considered as legal advice. The host does not assume any liability for actions taken based on the content of this podcast. While the host is a lawyer, they are not your lawyer and the information provided is based on general legal information. This podcast does not create a solicitor-client relationship.While we strive to keep the information accurate and up-to-date as at the date of each episode, laws and regulations may change, and the content of this podcast may not reflect the most current legal standards or interpretations. Listeners are encouraged to consult with a qualified New Zealand legal professional for advice tailored to their specific situation.
Jun 4, 2024
21 min

Hi, I'm Sanam! 👋
Most employment disputes I’ve seen were preventable.
Many of the employers I’ve worked with were trying to do the right thing. That’s rarely the problem. The problem is that good intentions don’t mean much when you were never taught the process.
A conversation handled wrong. A warning that wasn’t documented. A good faith misstep early on. By the time it becomes a grievance, it’s much harder to fix.
That’s the gap Law Lenz is here to close. Not a lawyer you call when things go wrong. But the knowledge and skills to handle it before it gets there.
I’m a practising employment lawyer, admitted in both New Zealand and Australia. I built Law Lenz because I kept seeing the same thing play out. Good employers. Wrong outcomes. Disputes that never should have happened.
That’s why in 2023 Law Lenz started with a podcast centered on helping businesses understand employment law. Because a better workplace doesn't just come from fixing culture, it comes from getting your compliance right.
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